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- !plot: send in the clones,
- daniel jackson,
- dr mcninja,
- dustin brooks,
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- gaignun kukai jr./rubedo,
- hana asakura,
- hit girl,
- howard bassem,
- kang,
- kanoe zouichi,
- kon-el,
- lash,
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- lord zetta,
- nightwing,
- querl dox,
- rory williams,
- ruffnut thorston,
- sakura haruno,
- tana moon,
- ter'thelas
"Listening to others, considering well what they say" (Part 3: Maingate Hotel)
The Maingate Hotel was pretty extravagant, and an entire section of it had been eked out for the crew's use during their stay. They had several suites, three communal areas, a conference room, their own kitchen with a chef on call if they required her.
They were all teleported from the main teleport pad of the hotel into the conference room, which was a large enough room to be able to hold a group their size and had plenty of chairs arranged in a circular pattern so they could mostly all face each other or whoever was in the middle of the room.
Everyone had to settle down so they were all able to talk, and the meeting itself would have to be carefully controlled so they wouldn't all talk over each other. But they were up for the task, right?
[ooc: Guardian Setup, General Mingling, Clone Checkup, Newbie Briefing, General Briefing, More Mingling, Back to the Meeting, and The Idea Guy sections are open. Backup characters introduced to the plot can join in the mingling subthreads if they want. The opening of new subthreads will be announced here and the ooc. Please read the linked OOC post for a plot timeline.]
They were all teleported from the main teleport pad of the hotel into the conference room, which was a large enough room to be able to hold a group their size and had plenty of chairs arranged in a circular pattern so they could mostly all face each other or whoever was in the middle of the room.
Everyone had to settle down so they were all able to talk, and the meeting itself would have to be carefully controlled so they wouldn't all talk over each other. But they were up for the task, right?
[ooc: Guardian Setup, General Mingling, Clone Checkup, Newbie Briefing, General Briefing, More Mingling, Back to the Meeting, and The Idea Guy sections are open. Backup characters introduced to the plot can join in the mingling subthreads if they want. The opening of new subthreads will be announced here and the ooc. Please read the linked OOC post for a plot timeline.]
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Especially because he was once so narrow-minded before. But that was because he only knew what he was told.
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"Look. I don't think you're seeing the big picture here, so let me pose a question to you: if you're all so damn sure that making this planet better is the right thing to do, why are you trying to bring back the cosmos to begin with?"
Demons weren't like people. Mercurial and prone to living in the moment, they rarely showed any of the weight of their years. Also, Zetta was a book. But nevertheless, he drew himself up to his full height, such as it was, to encompass the room with his blank white gaze.
"I'm older than all of you put together, and I've seen a lot more of the cosmos and its countless different universes than any of you, and let me tell you, if this is bothering you then you're thin-skinned as hell. The cosmos is a pretty crappy place with a lot of stuff like this going on, and now everyone here's setting themselves up to play Dark Court on this society. So what... when we get to the end of our road and win, are you guys gonna insist on picking and choosing which worlds come back and which don't? You gonna write off every Netherworld because it doesn't meet your 'moral standards'? Wish every world with a setup like this one back into existence, but tell them if they don't clean up their act you'll destroy them again? Or can you justify bringing back a world of slavery and tyranny that was destroyed, but not leaving one you ran across alone just because 'it's there'? In short, speaking for the demons, devils, nasties, villains, and bad guys -- why the hell should we trust you to be objective about the cosmos if you can't be objective about one damn planet?
"Call me crazy, but if I was the GIA, I'd be asking myself that question right about now, and maybe I'd even set up a crew to see if they COULD make the decision that saving the cosmos is more important than their moral objections to some of the stuff that goes on in it. And if they couldn't make that decision, but some of the crew on their other ships could, which crew gets the job and which crew gets Prison Ship Stacy back in all her full, Punishment-dealing glory?"
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"There has to be a way to get our hands on some of this technology in such a way that we can make it clear to the Galileeans, and the GIA, that we will not tolerate being their pawns."
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She flicked her wrist in a little gesture that might be read as dismissive.
"This planet's fate ultimately doesn't matter one whit to us. If their technology can be helpful - which it does not seem to be so far - then we take it, at as little cost to ourselves as possible. If that means stealing it? So be it. However, I do not think we should be entertaining any ideas of acting against the local government unless we are forced - in which case we should not hesitate to do what needs to be done."
She tapped her fingertips together for a moment.
"Pawns or not, we do not have much of a choice in the matter - for the moment our lives and existence is entirely dependent on the GIA, as Councillor Zetta has noted. We either play by their rules or we risk losing everything. Given the millions of pods aboard Stacy, they can probably afford to annihilate us, if they feel they need, and simply cycle through crews until they find one more amenable to following their agenda."
She spoke from experience at manipulating people and events. That's what she would have done.
"They have insulted us. They have injured us. So make them pay for it - but we cannot jeopardize ourselves, the mission or the ship for the sake of subjective morality. We should be focusing on achieving our objectives. IF we cannot? Then we leave once the ship returns and allow them to fall or stand on their own merits. Or possibly allow another GIA ship to intervene."
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Oh boy. This wasn't good. Kang and Zetta were going to come to blows any second now. It was already personal for Kang, and what wasn't helping matters was Zetta waving his age like it was a dick waving contest.
"Guys, come on. Let's just calm down," Daniel said. He thought about stepping between them, or at least, into the line of fire, but he got the feeling it wouldn't help. They'd just fight around him. Or in Kang's case, over his head.
"Kang, Zetta's right." Sort of. "Not every society we're going to run into is going to be a comfortable experience. However, we're meeting them on different terms here, and we supposedly have something they want. So we can start setting our own terms. We don't have to continue to be the victims in this negotiation if we approach this with a cool head. And no one is stealing anything." Daniel glared at Zedd. "Do you want to give them an excuse to imprison us? Or eject us from the planet early?"
Time to try and appeal to it with the basic facts. "At the moment, we can't up and leave anyway, so it's a moot point. So I don't see the harm in investigating until then." Daniel said. "Either way, we need a lot more information before we deal with the Galileans further."
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"Because it's wrong. We have no right to and we aren't entitled to it, anymore than they were to treating delegates like livestock." Just a unsubtle reminder that Kon moments ago had been feeling pretty morally superior to the Galileans. It looked like it didn't matter if he could twist it to suit his own needs.
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Ildrinaith got a bit of a sidelong glance. "You're not thinking. They didn't do a thing to us, by their view. As far as they're concerned, they pretty much just put 'PAID FOR' stickers on the home appliances we brought down from the ship. I swear if anybody gets pissed over me describing that -- I'm describing their perspective. And if we argue against that perspective, then we're pretty much telling them we're gonna turn on them."
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He looked like he was perfectly aware of the morality of what he was talking about.
"It's wrong, but helping the Galilean Council is wrong, and helping the resistance if they hurt civilians is wrong, too. If we're not just walking away from this like we should, the least wrong thing to do is take what we need and leave the society itself alone. This isn't our fight. We should either walk or yoink and walk."
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She nodded to Daniel, at the end of his statement. "More information also means getting in contact with the Clone Liberation Front with the intent to listen to what they have to tell us, and not act on anyone's behalf other than our own until we need to."
She looked back to Kang. "I agree with Councilor Kang. There has to be a way to get some of the technology the GIA is desperate for without allowing this planet, or that organization, to believe we're nothing more than pawns. Pawns are disposable. We aren't. It undermines the point of any of us existing here, now, like we do if we're that disposable. If this is a test," she said, glancing over to Zetta for a moment. "Then it's even more of a shot in the dark on their part. Guessing at their intent is next to impossible when compared to the people we can at least talk to here on Galilee."
Not as uncomfortable with Conner's suggest as, perhaps, Daniel, she nodded again to him. "Two wrongs don't make a right. But our right doesn't make their wrong any better. Walking away is probably the best idea, maybe even the smartest, but I'm personally not hoping to do that empty handed. Not unless you can guarantee every last one of us isn't in their genetic databanks right now."
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He looked gratefully to Sakura. Someone got it. Although he was surprised that Zetta had picked up the very points he had told Jr. earlier, about cultural perspective.
"No, they probably don't think so. But they do know we found something wrong with it because their action had a consequence: negotiations were shut down. However, the fact that you two attacked them puts us in a bad position. We had them in a position where the onus was on them to make amends for the offense. Now we just insulted them. We lost our advantage."
Daniel went on thoughtfully. "I'm just not so sure it's all due to a serious divide between us. Even if it was just a matter of cultural perspective, they aren't acting as they should. They actually answered your questions," and he glanced to the clones closest to him, "If they really were following the parameters of their society, they would have ignored you. They wouldn't have scrambled communications either, because as a non-person, you wouldn't have been considered capable of using them or even a 'threat' in the first place if you had. It strikes me as deliberate. I don't think this is all due to miscommunication."
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"As for your argument," Will said, turning to Zetta. "We obviously can't do that, what you're talking about with the other worlds after we get a chance to restore everything. But that doesn't mean we have to actually help them here."
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She looks up from where she was staring rather intently at a table for - oy - agreeing with Zetta. "However, in the short term, sacrificing everything from basic humanity - sapienity, rather - on up through our dignity for some fancy surgical equipment isn't a worthwhile trade. And for that matter, leaving a world a slightly better place than we found it, while possibly a distraction, is a hell of a laudable distraction."
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"This may be kicking a bee's nest," he continued, looking towards Kang and Kon, "but, uh, from what you saw, did any of that stuff they were using look conveniently stealable? I figure that's not the top-line stuff we're here for, but I'm kinda thinking that cloning technology and really good healing stuff isn't man-portable."
Of course, the perverse Netherworld physics that governed his minions meant that one of them could actually pick up and walk off with an entire hospital, but he sure wasn't gonna point that out.
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"Speaking of pride, though, I am not above stealing some technology and leaving. The Galileean government is hostile as far as I'm concerned, so frankly I won't object to most ideas as long as they don't involve working for them."
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"I've still gotta say, I think whatever we do on this planet will follow us. The GIA won't like us breaking an agreement they made -- even if we weren't given any choice in the matter."